Breed Notes

GORDON SETTER BREED NOTES

 

Thank you to Hilary Tye for sending her Breed Notes to publish. She has asked for any contributions to be sent to her at hilary@tymora.org.uk  or tel. 02084602049 and would particularly welcome information from open shows and/or  any general items of interest.

Monthly (February) Notes for BGSC Website 2018  (02)

 

GORDON SETTER BREED NOTES

 

GENERAL NEWS

I see that Kate Macara’s entry for Crufts is 192 making 214 which is on a par with entries over the last few years.

 

David Alcorn has drawn attention to the fact that at Crufts DNA tests will be available to buy from the Animal Health Trust with a 20% discount off the list price, with swabs to take away.  The AHT’s stand is no 55 in Hall 3.

 

KC NEWS

I see from the KC Breed Supplement for the final quarter of 2017 that registrations were 67 made up from 65 puppies, from 9 litters, and two importations.  This means that the total registrations for 2017 were 255 which compares with 263 for the previous year.  The last seven years have ranged from 234 to 273 then it was 306 in 2010 but right down to 192 in 2009 which followed a high of 362 in 2008 so we do seem to have stabilised a bit.  Only five dogs were exported, 1 to Belgium, 2 to France, 1 to Germany and 1 to Norway.

Hip scores from only 7 dogs were recorded with an average of 21.  This is the highest quarterly average since 2007 and puts the average for the year up from 12.43 at the end of September to 13.61.  Also, the average for the period for which I have scores is up from 19.31 to 19.32.  I know this is only very slight but it is the first time since 2007 that the overall average has risen.  However, when you consider that in the last quarter of 1991, which is when my records start, the average was 31.94, we have made tremendous progress but we must take care not to regress.

The DNA test results for PRA rcd-4 listed 6 carriers and 5 clear.  The GPRA results listed 1 affected and 9 unaffected.  Of this latter figure 5 had previously been recorded as unaffected.

 

OPEN SHOW NEWS

At East Kent show recently BOB went to Chris and Peter Sandiford and Claire Lewis’s Benbuie Rock On to Hernwood JW, and they also went BP with their H Apollo.  RBOB was Rachel and Ken Horler’s Kintalis Winter’s Knight by Rackens JW.  The Judge was Bill Gray (Sygar).

 

At Maidenhead on 17 February, BOB went to Yvonne Slaughter’s Cairacailie Night Of Love with Ordett.  On 18 February at Waverley Gundog, Laura Millar’s Yennadon Benriach won Junior and PG and then took BOB.  Also on 18th, at Horley & DCS Show, BOB went to Liz Ashton’s Yennadon Renaissance with Gadieburn and RBOB to Liz Ede’s Glenarden Martlet.  There were no puppies present.  The Judge at this show was Viv Bowen (Clandrift).

 

At Kent County CA Show on 25 February, Gordons were judged by Rita Cemis.  She found her BOB in Thelda Bryant’s Muckypup’s D’Artagnan JW ShCM and RBOB in our Kyuna Olympic Arrow of Tymora ShCM.  There were no puppies present.  We entered Fletcher for the RBOB Stakes, judged by Linda Aldous (Panjsher) which he won with prize money of £15.  We also had him entered in an Open Stakes class which was offering prize money down to 10th place.  There were 69 entered although many had left the show as it was a very cold day but there were still possibly 25/30 in the ring.  Fletcher came in 8th place and won another £8 so we had a good day.

We had considered going home as it was so cold but Tango, our Field Spaniel, who had won Best AVNSC Gundog went on to win the Gundog Group so we had to stay on for BIS which is why we went in for the Stakes classes and were very glad we did!

 

BGSC NEWS

Some of the dogs who would normally have been at the Horley & DSS on 18 February were absent as they were up at the BGSC Breed Specific Seminar, our boy included.  I would like to congratulate the Club’s Committee on running an excellent Seminar, especially Sonja Upton-Lovett who organised it.  The day ran very smoothly.  It started with talks from Sue Mitchell, on the Breed Standard, Pam Davies, on Gordon puppies and how they grow and Maggy Halliday on working a Gordon.

There was then a question and answer session and this was followed by the candidates being split into two groups, each group having a line of five dogs to go over and see move.  There was then the task of them writing their critiques and completing the multi choice examination whilst the rest of us relaxed!

A tasty lunch was provided by Jenny and Bob Roberts and then Kathy Gorman came forward to undertake the KC Points of a Dog Assessment.  As we and Fletcher were no longer required we decided to leave for home, bearing in mind it was a Sunday, the last day of many half term holidays and we had the M25 to face!  Before leaving all those who had brought dogs along for the Seminar were thanked for giving up their time and handed a gift for the handler and a ‘goodie’ bag for the dogs which I thought was a really nice gesture by the Club.  Once again, congratulations to all for an interesting day.

 

CH SHOW NEWS

I know Manchester is done and dusted but it made me remember the first time we went there in 1986.  The show was held in March, which was after Crufts, and was at Belle Vue in Manchester.  We had only started showing in 1985 so this was our first long distance show and we were not sure where we were going.  However, we found the venue and realised we had driven straight past the entrance.  We saw a roundabout just along the road so headed for it to turn round and it was when we did that we realised we had a large number of ‘dog’ cars following us.  You know how it is, you are not quite sure where a venue is so latch on to a ‘dog’ car hoping they know where they are going!  Anyway, all was well that ended well and we entered the venue, still in good time.

The Judge was Major Houghton and he had an entry of 130 making 168 giving an average of 14 per class.  I notice from the catalogue, which we still have, that the judge should have been Judy de Casembroot but I cannot remember why there was a change of judge.  The DCC was awarded to Sh Ch Carorae The Laird, owned by Mr & Mrs Bayley and bred by Carole Laurie.  DRCC went to José Baddeley’s Gladstone of Lourdace who was bred by Brenda Corbett.  BCC and BOB was Ch Inkersall Cedar, bred and owned by Jayne and John Mawer and RBCC was her litter sister, Sh Ch I Coal Tit at Sundeala, owned by Barbara Davies and Ron Bebb.

 

I do hope you are not being too inconvenienced by the snow.  It is not too bad where we live as at the moment all the main roads are clear and as we have a lot of local bus routes going around the houses, those roads are all kept salted as well.  Let us hope all the snow will have disappeared before Crufts.

When thinking about Crufts I thought I would look back on a schedule and catalogue for 1988, 30 years ago.  Gundogs were on the first day, Thursday 11 February, and the show was held at Earls Court in London.  The rings were arranged on two floors and fortunately Gordons were on the ground floor.  The upper floor came in handy when there was a large crowd around the breed ring as it was possible to go upstairs and look down from the balcony on to the ring.

The Judge for Gordons was Mr R Robertson and he had an entry of 167 making 195.  There were 8 classes for each sex with a mixed veteran class.  There were 77 (91) dogs and 90 (104) bitches.  Absentees were 11 dogs and 19 bitches.  BOB went to the BCC winner, Chris Lomas’s Sh Ch Timadon Bramble.  She was bred by Alicia and Geoff Coupe in June 1983 and was by Ch Swanley Strathfinella x Glenlochay Kilty Rose of Eireannmada.  DCC went to José Baddeley’s Sh Ch Gladstone of Lourdace who was bred by Brenda Corbett in July 1984 and was by Sh Ch Rossend Gaelic Drover of Dunfionn x L Minuet.

RBCC was won by Annette Cornwall’s Lourdace Musette.  She was bred by José in August 1983 and was by Sh Ch Dudmoor Mylton of L x Winterwood Summercloud.  RDCC went to Paul Smith’s Moonglade Morello.  Bred by Elaine Roberts in May 1982 he was by Sh Ch Wayfarer of Carorae x M Marvel.  BP was Margot Harrison’s Adamgrove Grey Douglas.  Homebred in March 1987 he was by Tamarod Firebird x T The Mary Rose at A.

We had two entered, Casper in Post Graduate, where he came 4th, and Glen in Puppy where he came third so we had a good day.  It was Glen’s first Crufts and at one stage we wondered if he would qualify.  In those days, apart from Champions, etc and those in the Stud Book who, as now, qualified automatically, dogs had to win a first (and only a first) in Minor Puppy, Puppy, Junior or Post Graduate, plus first to third in Limit and Open.  In puppy classes during 1987, Glen kept getting seconds until at the last show of the year a puppy he had been up against continually was entered only in minor puppy whereas we had Glen entered in puppy as well and he was the only entry so finally got his qualification.  We don’t usually like being the only entry in a class but on that occasion we breathed a sigh of relief that we were.

One or two general observations about Crufts 1988:  The entry fee was £9.00 for the first class and £1 for each subsequent class.  Ring cards were sent to each exhibitor and these acted as the admission pass for entry into Earls Court.  I have not noticed any mention of exit passes.  Entry to the show was from 7.00am with no dogs admitted after 11.00am, except under very exceptional circumstances and by special permission.  Judging was from 10.00am, unless exhibitors were notified of a difference with their ring cards.  No dogs could leave the show until 6.00pm.

The total number of gundogs entered was 3,138 making 3,612 and the total entry overall was 15,567 making 18,222 entries.  Whereas nowadays there are numerous Gamekeepers’ classes, in 1988 there were just four – one for Retrievers (Labrador) and (Curly-Coated) – 9 entries;  one for Retrievers (Flat-Coated) and (Golden) – 0 entries;  one for AV Sporting Spaniel – 4 entries and one for AV Gundog – 12 entries, one of which was Timadon Blackberry, owned by Willy Cassidy.  It seems that Gundog owners are now taking much more interest in the working side, judging by the number entered in the Gamekeepers’ classes at Crufts last year.

Admission for the public was from 8.30am to 7.30pm and the cost was £4.50 for adults and £2.00 for children (over 3 and under 14) and Senior Citizens.  Catalogues were £3.00 from the kiosks in the hall but exhibitors could order with their entry.

One thing that really surprised me was the number of coach parties arranged by individuals from all around the country.  There are 65 mentioned in the schedule.  This year there are 3.  It just shows that most people these days use their own transport.

History lesson over, it just leaves me to say good luck at Crufts, have a good day and remember you always take the best dog home with you.

 

Hilary Tye Tel: 0208 4602049 E-mail: hilary@tymora.org.uk

Monthly (February) Notes for BGSC Website 2018  (03)

 

GORDON SETTER BREED NOTES

 

GENERAL NEWS

I do hope you were not too inconvenienced by the snow.  It was not too bad where we live as all the main roads were kept clear and as we have a lot of local bus routes going around the houses, those roads were all kept salted as well.  It was obviously a worry that the ‘Beast from the East’ might have affected Crufts but fortunately it did not.

When thinking about Crufts I thought I would look back on a schedule and catalogue for 1988, 30 years ago.  Gundogs were on the first day, Thursday 11 February, and the show was held at Earls Court in London.  The rings were arranged on two floors and fortunately Gordons were on the ground floor.  The upper floor came in handy when there was a large crowd around the breed ring as it was possible to go upstairs and look down from the balcony on to the ring.

The Judge for Gordons was Mr R Robertson and he had an entry of 167 making 195.  There were 8 classes for each sex with a mixed veteran class.  There were 77 (91) dogs and 90 (104) bitches.  Absentees were 11 dogs and 19 bitches.  BOB went to the BCC winner, Chris Lomas’s Sh Ch Timadon Bramble.  She was bred by Alicia and Geoff Coupe in June 1983 and was by Ch Swanley Strathfinella x Glenlochay Kilty Rose of Eireannmada.  DCC went to José Baddeley’s Sh Ch Gladstone of Lourdace who was bred by Brenda Corbett in July 1984 and was by Sh Ch Rossend Gaelic Drover of Dunfionn x L Minuet.

RBCC was won by Annette Cornwall’s Lourdace Musette.  She was bred by José in August 1983 and was by Sh Ch Dudmoor Mylton of L x Winterwood Summercloud.  RDCC went to Paul Smith’s Moonglade Morello.  Bred by Elaine Roberts in May 1982 he was by Sh Ch Wayfarer of Carorae x M Marvel.  BP was Margot Harrison’s Adamgrove Grey Douglas.  Homebred in March 1987 he was by Tamarod Firebird x T The Mary Rose at A.

We had two entered, Casper in Post Graduate, where he came 4th, and Glen in Puppy where he came third so we had a good day.  It was Glen’s first Crufts and at one stage we wondered if he would qualify.  In those days, apart from Champions, etc and those in the Stud Book who, as now, qualify automatically, dogs had to win a first (and only a first) in Minor Puppy, Puppy, Junior or Post Graduate, plus first to third in Limit and Open.  In puppy classes during 1987, Glen kept getting seconds until at the last show of the year a puppy he had been up against continually was entered only in minor puppy whereas we had Glen entered in puppy as well and he was the only entry so finally got his qualification.  We don’t usually like being the only entry in a class but on that occasion we breathed a sigh of relief that we were.

One or two general observations about Crufts 1988:  The entry fee was £9.00 for the first class and £1 for each subsequent class.  Ring cards were sent to each exhibitor and these acted as the admission pass for entry into Earls Court.  I have not noticed any mention of exit passes.  Entry to the show was from 7.00am with no dogs admitted after 11.00am, except under very exceptional circumstances and by special permission.  Judging was from 10.00am, unless exhibitors were notified of a difference with their ring cards.  No dogs could leave the show until 6.00pm.

The total number of gundogs entered was 3,138 making 3,612 and the total entry overall was 15,567 making 18,222 entries.  Whereas nowadays there are numerous Gamekeepers’ classes, in 1988 there were just four – one for Retrievers (Labrador) and (Curly-Coated) – 9 entries;  one for Retrievers (Flat-Coated) and (Golden) – 0 entries;  one for AV Sporting Spaniel – 4 entries and one for AV Gundog – 12 entries, one of which was Timadon Blackberry, owned by Willy Cassidy.  It seems that Gundog owners are now taking much more interest in the working side, judging by the number entered in the Gamekeepers’ classes at Crufts last year.

Admission for the public was from 8.30am to 7.30pm and the cost was £4.50 for adults and £2.00 for children (over 3 and under 14) and Senior Citizens.  Catalogues were £3.00 from the kiosks in the hall but exhibitors could order with their entry.

One thing that really surprised me was the number of coach parties arranged by individuals from all around the country.  There are 65 mentioned in the schedule.  This year there are 3.  It just shows that most people these days use their own transport.

That’s the history lesson over for now!

 

A while ago I was chatting to someone at a show (not a Gordoner) who was rather disillusioned with the attitude of some people in her breed.  She had a good example of the breed and had done quite a bit of winning but because she was a newcomer some of the more seasoned exhibitors never congratulated her or gave her any help or advice.  Several years ago when I was helping out at ringcraft there were two people with the same breed, both nice dogs and both had started to win on several occasions.  One person became really fed up with the attitude of other more experienced exhibitors and eventually gave up showing.  The other had thicker skin and decided to shut her ears to the remarks passed around and went on to make her dog up into a champion, so her perseverance paid off.

Everyone needs to give new exhibitors as much encouragement as possible as if shows, especially open shows, are to survive we need to get and keep more people interested in taking part.  I must admit I have always found Gordon exhibitors helpful and encouraging.  This was especially so for us when we first started showing and had not much idea of what happened!  I actually wrote a little poem for a BGSC Newsletter about our experiences during our first few years of showing.  I will not repeat it all, but the first verse I feel demonstrates the help we had at the beginning.

Twas in the year of ‘85

That to our first show we did drive,

Our Casper he was nearly two

And none of us knew what to do,

But at the Gordon ring we found

A friendly crowd all standing round,

Who quickly put us in the know

With tips on how we could best show,’

Tips on grooming, tips on moving

All the time we were improving

Till that very special day

A “first” card did come Casper’s way.

We really appreciated all the help we had at the beginning and here we are some 33 years later still at it!

Another aspect of showing at the moment is the lack of people prepared to serve on committees, especially young people.  Just look around at the committee members at your local shows.  So many societies have, in recent years, closed down due to having insufficient people on their committees to efficiently run the society, especially people to take on the role of secretary.  I saw in the dog paper only the other day an advert for a society for its AGM which was to be followed by a SGM deregistering the society.  It is such a shame as some of these societies which are disappearing have been in existence for many, many years.  If we go on losing open shows there will be less and less opportunities for up and coming judges to gain experience, especially breed judges.  Also there will be fewer opportunities to bring out young puppies in the more relaxed atmosphere of an open show rather than the cut and thrust of championship shows.  I know people seem to be much busier these days, but it does not take much of someone’s time to attend a few committee meetings and attend possibly two shows a year.

 

OPEN SHOW NEWS

The recent snow once again caused open shows to be cancelled.  In our area it was Hampshire Gundog.  I remember this happened five years ago.  Sandra and I were due to judge down at Weston Super Mare.  Although we experienced a little snow the motorways were quite clear and we arrived safely much to the delight of the organisers as they had had a number of judges unable to attend, so we had a few more classes to judge than we had bargained for.  Whilst there we heard that Hampshire Gundog had had to cancel their show, so it appeared the snow had been south of the M25 and M4, for which we were grateful.

 

CH SHOW NEWS

That’s Crufts done and dusted for another year.  Kate Macara’s entry of 192 making 214 was split fairly evenly between 98 (110) dogs and 94 (104) bitches.  Absentees were 11 in each sex.

DCC and BOB was a second this year and 18th overall for Ludovica and Michele Ivaldi’s Sh Ch/Ita/Int Ch Ludstar Frederick Frankenstein (Aus Ch Triseter Celtic Ice x Ita/Int/Eur/World Ch L Velsheda) who was homebred in May 2012.

BCC went to Poppi Jaconelli’s Sh Ch Hernwood Causin A Storm for Togipoto.  This was her first this year and 6th overall.  She was bred by Chris and Peter Sandiford in January 2012 and is by Sh Ch Cromasaig Forever Loyal JW x Sh Ch H Indi Girl at T.

Kate awarded the RDCC to Connie and Ian Ford’s Liric Fusilier with Shillay JW.  This was not his first time in the top awards for he won a RCC last year.  He was bred by Maureen Justice in December 2015 and is by the DCC winner x L As Good As It Gets.

The RBCC winner came from the Special Working Bitch Class and was M Sklorz’s Celtic Blackened Kochanej Emilki who it would appear from the ATC number came over from Poland.  She was homebred in December 2013 and is by Fairray Black To The Future x Rosalie Von Der Wildlen Horde.

The challenge for BP was between Debra and Tony Harker’s Hernwood Achilles at Ettrick and Karen Marsh’s Lignum Black Lightning at Kilnrae with best going to H Achilles which follows on from his BP at Manchester.  He was bred by Chris and Peter in May last year and is by Sh Ch Lourdace Fulcrum JW x Sh Ch H Calypso Goddess JW ShCM.

There were a good number of dogs present who are not resident in the UK.  I make it 36, not including F Frankenstein, who I think can be counted as a ‘semi-resident’.

Lots of familiar faces around the ring who no longer show but still have a great interest in the Breed.  Too many to mention them all but it was pleasing to see José Baddeley there looking well even though she has been quite poorly recently.  Also it was lovely to see Yvonne Hunt at the ringside and I feel I should let slip that she will have her 100th Birthday on 25 April.  She said she was looking forward to receiving a card from the Queen.  I am sure she would love to have cards from Gordoners as well.  She is no longer living in the Forest of Dean but is now in Oxfordshire.  Her full address is in the latest BGSC Yearbook.

I hope you all had a good journey home.  It is always a long day and especially so for us as our other Breed, Field Spaniels, started at 8.00am.  Still, arriving very early meant we were parked right down the front of the West car park so not too far to walk into the venue.  One part of Crufts I dislike is walking our Field down from Hall 2 to Hall 1 as often members of the public attending the show do not seem to be aware that dogs are being walked amongst them.  We try to keep him protected but he was still nearly run into by a pushchair.  It was even worse when the Fields used to be in Hall 4 and we had to walk them back right through halls 3 and 2.  I do wish the KC could put in dog only walkways.

 

Sue Mitchell writes:  “Sue Mitchell would like to thank, on behalf of the British Gordon Setter Club, all those that were involved with Discover Dogs at Crufts last week.

“All of the dogs were great ambassadors for the breed and enjoyed all the attention from young and old alike.  We had a lot of interest in the breed and the representatives that attended ensured that no stone was unturned in informing the public about our wonderful breed.  We had lots of enquiries about health testing and the requirements of owning a Gordon which in some cases the public had not realised the reality of owning one.

“My thanks go to Karin Sweryda, Jan Cawthen and their team who set up on the Wednesday and then ‘womaned’ the stand on Friday.  Kay Reid and her husband Ian held the fort on Saturday and Sunday was the turn of Paul and Pam Woodhouse.  Thursday was a joint effort between Mike and Sue Beese and myself who spent the day on the Gordon stand and walking between that and the Pet Blood Bank stand where one of my dogs, Baxter, was the star attraction.  Several comments were made bout the tartan sashes and kilts that were worn.

”A great four days were had and enjoyed by all so once again thank you for giving time up to represent our breed.”

I noticed in the Crufts results on the Fossedata site that there was no mention of Best Veteran.  Sylvia Timmerman emailed to say that she was absolutely delighted to win the BV rosette with her and Rhonda Cornum’s Int/Am/It Ch Ludstar Don Corleone.  He was bred by the Ivaldis and is, of course, a half brother to Frederick Frankenstein having the same dam but by Goango Black Boss. He was born in June 2010.

Sylvia also mentioned that prior to Crufts she took the chance to visit Mary and Bert Dyde.  Apparently they are both doing well and being taken care of by their son Rob.  This is good to know as, although now ‘retired’, they have been so much part of the Gordon scene over many, many years.

Hilary Tye Tel: 0208 4602049 E-mail: hilary@tymora.org.uk